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In questo thread possono essere postati e discussi, oltre a tutti i fatti di cronaca relativi al conflitto in atto, quelli "collaterali" di carattere politico che hanno luogo al di fuori del nostro Paese. Per fare un esempio: discussione politica italiana sul caro energia come conseguenza delle sazioni alla Russia NO, matrice politica dell'attentato a Dugina SI.


Questo è l'ultimo avvertimento che vi scriviamo, da ora in poi interverremo direttamente alle trasgressioni delle regole.

Chi sarà ammonito si aspetti di poter essere bannato o addirittura oscurato dal topic, se continuerà a non rispettare le regole.
 
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Ottimo, zelensky ha appena firmato il foglio di richiesta per entrare in UE. Speriamo che l'Europa non accetti, sennò é la fine
 
Secondo alcune fonti la Russia ha inviato il Wagner Group per trovare e uccidere il presidente ucraino

E' questo lo spirito giusto per negoziare!
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Ottimo, zelensky ha appena firmato il foglio di richiesta per entrare in UE. Speriamo che l'Europa non accetti, sennò é la fine

Nelcaso lo accoppino almeno hanno già il documento pronto.
 
Ottimo, zelensky ha appena firmato il foglio di richiesta per entrare in UE. Speriamo che l'Europa non accetti, sennò é la fine
Ci vogliono comunque anni perchè la cosa vada in porto.
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Tass, conclusi i negoziati Kiev-Mosca​


I negoziati tra Ucraina e Russia al confine bielorusso si sono conclusi. Lo riporta la Tass, citando
fonti dei colloqui
 
Articolo di propaganda russa preparato per celebrare il successo dell'invasione, pubblicato per errore e poi cancellato. Continuate a dire che la Russia è stata provocata.

A new world is being born before our eyes. Russia's military operation in Ukraine has opened a new era — and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, domestic. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system — but we should talk about this separately a little later.

Russia is restoring its unity — the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe of our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a great price, yes, through the tragic events of the civil war, because now brothers are still shooting at each other, separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies— but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russian Russian is restoring its historical completeness by bringing the Russian world, the Russian people together — in all its totality of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had refused this, allowed the temporary division to take hold for centuries, we would not only have betrayed the memory of our ancestors, but would also have been cursed by our descendants for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.

Vladimir Putin has assumed — without a drop of exaggeration - historical responsibility, deciding not to leave the solution of the Ukrainian issue to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia — for two key reasons. And the issue of national security, that is, the creation of an anti-Russia from Ukraine and an outpost to pressure the West on us, is only the second most important among them.

The first would always be the complex of a divided people, the complex of national humiliation — when the Russian house first lost part of its foundation (Kiev), and then had to accept the existence of two states, not one, but two peoples. That is, either to abandon your history, agreeing with the crazy versions that "only Ukraine is the real Russia", or to gnash your teeth powerlessly, remembering the times when "we lost Ukraine". Russian Russians would be getting more and more difficult to return Ukraine, that is, to turn it back to Russia, with every decade — recoding, de-russification of Russians and setting up against Russian Little Russians-Ukrainians, would gain momentum. And if the full geopolitical and military control of the West over Ukraine were consolidated, its return to Russia would become completely impossible — it would have to fight with the Atlantic bloc for it.

Now there is no such problem - Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be liquidated, but it will be rebuilt, re-established and returned to its natural state of a part of the Russian world. In what borders, in what form will the union with Russia be consolidated (through the CSTO and the Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus)? This will be decided after the end is put in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia. In any case, the period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end.

And here begins the second dimension of the coming new era - it concerns Russia's relations with the West. Not even Russia, but the Russian world, that is, three states, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, acting in geopolitical terms as a single whole. These relations have entered a new stage — the West sees Russia returning to its historical borders in Europe. And he loudly resents this, although deep down I have to admit to myself that it could not have been any other way.

Did anyone in the old European capitals, in Paris and Berlin, seriously believe that Moscow would abandon Kiev? That the Russians will forever be a divided people? And at the same time when Europe is uniting, when the German and French elites are trying to seize control of European integration from the Anglo-Saxons and assemble a united Europe? Forgetting that the unification of Europe became possible only thanks to the unification of Germany, which happened by the Russian good (albeit not very smart) will. To take a swing after that also at the Russian lands is not even the height of ingratitude, but of geopolitical stupidity. The West as a whole, and even more so Europe individually, did not have the strength to keep in its sphere of influence, and even more so to take Ukraine for itself. To not understand this, you had to be just geopolitical fools.

More precisely, there was only one option: to bet on the further collapse of Russia, that is, the Russian Federation. But the fact that it didn't work should have become clear twenty years ago. And already fifteen years ago, after Putin's Munich speech, even a deaf person could hear that Russia was returning.
Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation - Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov - RIA

Now the West is trying to punish Russia for having returned, for not justifying its plans to profit at its expense, not allowing it to expand the Western space to the east. In an effort to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are of vital importance to us. But this has not been the case for a long time — the world has changed, and this is well understood not only by Europeans, but also by the Anglo-Saxons who rule the West. No Western pressure on Russia will lead to anything. Losses from the escalation of confrontation will be on both sides, but Russia is ready for them morally and geopolitically. But for the West itself, increasing the degree of confrontation carries huge costs — and the main ones are not economic at all.

Europe, as part of the West, wanted autonomy — the German project of European integration does not make strategic sense while maintaining Anglo-Saxon ideological, military and geopolitical control over the Old World. And it cannot be successful, because the Anglo-Saxons need a controlled Europe. But Europe also needs autonomy for another reason — in case the United States moves to self-isolation (as a result of increasing internal conflicts and contradictions) or focuses on the Pacific region, where the geopolitical center of gravity is moving.

But the confrontation with Russia, into which the Anglo-Saxons are dragging Europe, deprives Europeans of even a chance of independence — not to mention the fact that they are trying to impose a break with China on Europe in the same way. If Atlantists are now happy that the "Russian threat" will unite the Western bloc, then Berlin and Paris cannot but understand that, having lost hope for autonomy, the European project will simply collapse in the medium term. That is why independent-minded Europeans are now completely uninterested in building a new iron curtain on their eastern borders - realizing that it will turn into a pen specifically for Europe. Whose century (more precisely, half a millennium) of global leadership is over anyway — but various options for its future are still possible.

Because the construction of a new world order — and this is the third dimension of current events - is accelerating, and its contours are becoming clearer through the spreading veil of globalization in Anglo-Saxon. The multipolar world has finally become a reality — the operation in Ukraine is not able to rally anyone against Russia except the West. Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly well - this is a conflict between Russia and the West, this is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlantists, this is Russia's return of its historical space and its place in the world.

China and India, Latin America and Africa, the Islamic world and Southeast Asia - no one believes that the West leads the world order and even more so sets the rules of the game. Russia has not just challenged the West - it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over. The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers of forces, naturally, together with the West (united or not) — but not on its terms and not according to its rules.
 
Lo diceva yonkers86, e ci ha preso. Però se da un lato il capo di stato ucraino firma la carta per entrare nella ue, e dall'altra il capo di stato russo pretende, tra le altre cose, la neutralità dell'ucraina, vedo poco margine di manovra
 
Dai Rai News - Zelensky firma la richiesta di adesione all'Ue, ma Bruxelles frena
Sono sollevato nel constatare che non sono usciti di senno. Le parole dei giorni scorsi mi avevano fatto temere che la gravità del momento, avesse fatto perdere un attimo la lucidità.

- La ministra degli Esteri tedesca Annalena Baerbock: "Tutti siamo consapevoli che un'adesione all'Ue non è qualcosa che si possa fare in alcuni mesi", un obiettivo del genere "si porta dietro un profondo e intenso processo di trasformazione" -

Mi trovo completamente d'accordo.
 

Cremlino, prossimi colloqui al confine Polonia-Bielorussia​


I negoziati tra Russia e Ucraina proseguiranno al confine tra Polonia e Bielorussia. Lo fa sapere il Cremlino, citato dalla Tass. Secondo il negoziatore di Mosca, Vladimir Medinsky, i colloqui si terranno "nei prossimi giorni".
 
Lo diceva yonkers86, e ci ha preso. Però se da un lato il capo di stato ucraino firma la carta per entrare nella ue, e dall'altra il capo di stato russo pretende, tra le altre cose, la neutralità dell'ucraina, vedo poco margine di manovra
La Nato non vogliono. Non che non entri in Europa.
 
Lo diceva yonkers86, e ci ha preso. Però se da un lato il capo di stato ucraino firma la carta per entrare nella ue, e dall'altra il capo di stato russo pretende, tra le altre cose, la neutralità dell'ucraina, vedo poco margine di manovra
Che le parti siano parecchio distanti al primo meeting è quasi fisiologico, vediamo come si evolve.
Noto poi altre due importanti aperture da Francia e Stati Uniti (riaprire la Red line che usavano in Siria), perché si correva il rischio di alienare completamente la Russia da qualsiasi dialogo.
 
E possibile una futura riapertura tra Biden e Putin, visto che si sono sentiti oggi Putin e Macron ?
 
Come dicevo stamattina, è praticamente impossibile fare entrare ora l'ucraina nell'UE perché potrebbe far valere l'attivazione dell'articolo 42 che obbliga gli altri Stati membri alla reciproca difesa militare. Sarebbe guerra mondiale. Se ne riparlerà in futuro e se l'ucraina sarà ancora un Paese indipendente e non fantoccio della Russia.
 
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